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another great post phil. especially no. 5


Phil, i'm impressed, is this all your own work??

Phil Smith

Need you ask? Of course it is... pulled together during another journey from Darlington to Newcastle.


They don't have to feel responsible for the war in iraq

Which means, by extension, that liberals can't take credit for the wonderful things happening in Iraq now.


mmm wonderful things? More soldiers killed in Oct than any month since last Jan? wonderful? Women and children killed as the US bomb a house? wonderful? Iraqi leaders worried that the police and the army is too heavily infiltrated by "former" Baath party members to be trusted once the US and UK etc leave? wonderful? Tribalism threatening to destroy any hope of long term democracy (see Balkan states for precedent!)? wonderful? No sign of an exit strategy? wonderful? Global terrorism on the increase? wonderful? need I go on? I don't think even BUsh will want to take the "credit" for this when it all comes out in the wash!


.....and I bet the liberals are kicking themselves...... "darn it if only we'd killed all those people, then we'd look as cool as George W."


...a liberated Iraq voting for the first time in its history, a war with a very low casualty count, rights for Muslim women, and the highest economic productivity for Iraq in its entire history.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Mark Berry

All the best people are on the wrong side of History... mainly because History is written by the powerful, not much is going to be written by the children who have lost family etc... How do you know the war has a low casualty count? I take it you mean coalition soldiers? No one knows how many civilians have been killed... though conservative estimates put it at about 30,000... though Tommy Franks says the Army is not in the game of counting bodies... I wonder why? Erm, another History matter re. oppresion of women Iraq was not subject to Sharia law and history shgows that imposed democracy eventually leads to a more fundamentalist regime in the end... look at Iran (US meddling again!), Suadi, Pakistan etc. etc. If you believe what the US propaganda machine is telling you... well, even US citizens are starting to question the whole business! Now when the US and the UK lead a war of liberation against China then I might review my accusations of Hypocrisy and self interest. Don't believe the hype... remember... WMD's... remember 45minutes.

Mark Berry

For further info...

An Iraqi humanitarian organization is reporting that 128,000 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. invasion began in March 2003.

Mafkarat al-Islam reported that chairman of the 'Iraqiyun humanitarian organization in Baghdad, Dr. Hatim al-'Alwani, said that the toll includes everyone who has been killed since that time, adding that 55 percent of those killed have been women and children aged 12 and under.

'Iraqiyun obtained data from relatives and families of the deceased, as well as from Iraqi hospitals in all the country's provinces. The 128,000 figure only includes those whose relatives have been informed of their deaths and does not include those were abducted, assassinated or simply disappeared.

... wonderful ;-(

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